2019年1月8日 星期二

【奧修】【療愈只是成長的開始】

[一對治療師夫婦在現場。男的說他的工作一切都很好。但工作之外,有
時候我會很多的自我懷疑,我好奇它是否更多地是自我……我很自我。 ]

[A couple of visitors who are therapists are present. The man says that everything is good in his work: But outside of that sometimes I have a lot of self-doubt and wonder if it's more of an ego thing... that I' m a very egotistical person.]


奧修(OSHO):

那是西方幾乎每一個治療師都面臨的問題。它並非你的私人問題,它是非常客觀的。所以試著很客觀的理解它。

That is a problem almost every therapist is facing in the West. It is not personal to you, it is very impersonal. So try to understand it very impersonally.


治療(療愈)只是成長的開始,一個初步的開始。你可以學習治療方法,你可以開始使用那些方法,會有效果。但它並不需要你自身有那種程度的意識(覺知),它不是必需的。

Therapy is only the beginning of growth, and a very rudimentary beginning. You can learn therapeutic methods, you can start working on those methods and results will be coming. It is not necessary that you have-that kind of consciousness yourself; it is not necessary.


它就像醫療:醫生或許自己患有肺結核,但他能給別人看病。並不因為他自己有肺結核,他就沒辦法給其他肺結核病人看病,他能。

It is like medicine: the doctor may be suffering from tuberculosis himself but he can treat others. It is not that because he suffers from tuberculosis himself be cannot treat a person suffering from tuberculosis; he can.


自然會有懷疑出現,因為他自己也痛苦。他治不了自己,但他正在治療別人,當他看到有結果、別人被治好了,自然會有懷疑出現:怎麼了,他在幹什麼?

And naturally doubts will arise, because he himself suffers. He cannot treat himself but he is treating others, and when he sees results coming and that the others are treated, then doubts are naturally there; what is happening, what is he doing?


正如醫療已經成了一門技術,醫生能實踐它,所以在西方治療正成為一門技術。

Just as medicine has become a technique and a doctor can practice it, so therapy is becoming a technique in the West.


東方不曾有過治療師這種人。東方根本不知道治療師。它知道師父,而不是治療師,這兩者的區別很大。

In the East there has never existed a person like the therapist. The East has not known the therapist at all. It has known the master but not the therapists; and the difference is immense.


師父是一個自己已經達成了那個意識的人,之後他幫助眾生。但他是從他已經達成了的洞見來助人。所以根本沒有懷疑。他的工作自然走的非常深。

The master is one who has attained to that consciousness himself; then he helps. But he helps from a vision that he has attained. Then there is no doubt ever. Naturally his work goes very deep.


他已經跨越了別人卡在裡面的各種空間,他知道人類意識的整個地圖,他已經達成了。在東方,我們從不允許任何人幫助他人,除非他已經抵達了,所以治療師根本不存在。

He has moved from all those spaces in which others are stuck, he knows the whole map of human consciousness, and he has arrived. In the East we have never allowed any man to help others unless he has arrived, so the therapist has not existed .


治療師是西方的發明。佛洛依德自己受苦於各種嚴重的心理問題,榮格也是,阿德勒也是,其他偉大的心理治療師和精神分析師也是如此,他們不是師父。你從這個傳統、西方傳統中學會了那些技巧。

The therapist is a Western invention. Freud himself suffered from great psychological problems, so did Jung, so did Adler, so have the other great psychologists and psychoanalysts and therapists; they are not masters. You have learned those techniques from this tradition, the Western tradition.


你能很高效,你能助人,別人也會得到幫助,但你的懷疑不會消失。事實上受到幫助的人越多,你就越懷疑:發生了什麼? ——因為它看起來很奧秘。

You can be very efficient, you can help people and people will be helped, but your doubt will not disappear. In fact the more people are helped, the more doubtful you will become: what is happening? – because it looks mysterious.


如果你的工作沒有任何成效,那也完全沒問題:你會好奇能有什麼成效——你自己還沒抵達。當別人有自我問題,你去幫他,你怎麼幫他?因為你內在也有這個問題。

If nothing comes out of your work, that will be perfectly okay: you will wonder what can come out of it – you have not arrived yourself. When somebody has an ego problem and you help, how can you help? – because the problem exists inside you too.


你能完全融入對方,你能告訴對方你知道的關於自我的一切,你能給他方法,你能給他擺脫它的工具,但內心深處你知道那些東西沒用,因為它們對你沒用。

You can get totally involved with the person, you can tell him everything that is known to you about the ego, you can give him recipes, you can give him devices to get rid of it, but deep down you know that these things can' t work because they have not even worked for you.


所以治療師活在謊言之中,他在別人面前裝模作樣。他必須如此,否則他沒辦法工作。他必須帶著面具,他不讓別人看見他身處何種境地。然而,事後當你隻身一人時面具會掉下來。

So the therapist is living a kind of lie; he is pretending something to people. He has to, otherwise he will not be able to work. He has to keep a mask, he has not to allow people to see what exactly his situation is . But, later on when you are alone your mask will slip.


有時候你能看到鏡子裡自己的臉,你會擔憂。隨著你越來越成功,這份擔憂會越來越嚴重,這份懷疑會毒害你。

Sometimes you will be able to see your face in the mirror and you will be worried. This worry will become more and more as you become more successful and this doubt will poison your whole being.


你可以繼續當治療師,但更多的關注你自己的內在成長。別被你的工作愚弄了。有時候會發生這種事:當你開始成功時,你能被成功愚弄。

You can continue working as a therapist but pay more attention to you own inner growth. Don’t be fooled by your work. Sometimes that happens: when you start succeeding you can be fooled by it.


你可能會認為,“我幫了這麼多人,我一定很厲害。”這樣的話你的自我會越來越強大。

You can think, ’When I am helping so many people there must be something in me’ and then the ego can become even more strong.


我遇到過無數的治療師,這是他們每個人的基本問題。你必須留意自己。工作,繼續你的工作,但別讓它變成你的生活,別讓它等同於你的生活。你也欠你自己一些東西。

I have come across thousands of therapists; this is a basic problem for everybody. You will have to give a little attention to yourself. Work, continue your work, but don't allow it to become your life, don't allow it to become equivalent to your life. You owe something to yourself too.


如果你能更深入自己,你也能助人。這樣就不會有假裝,不會有謊言,懷疑也會消失。當懷疑消失了,奇蹟就有出現的可能,因為無論你說什麼,你都是認真的。

If you can go deeper into your being you will be able to help also. Then there will be no pretension, no lie, and the doubt will disappear. When the doubt disappears miracles become possible, because whatsoever you say, you mean.


它來自於你的親身經歷,它不是藉來的。它內含真實、真理,它不證自明,你能熱情的脫口而出。

And it is out of your own experience – it is not borrowed. It has an authenticity, a truth, it is self-evident, and you can put it out with passion.


所以下定決心,如果你一個月有兩週帶團體,就把另外兩週留給自己,至少繼續靜心……

So make it a point that if you give two weeks per month for groups, give two weeks for yourself, and at least continue meditating....


靜心,在這裡參加幾個團體課程,上課的時候忘掉你是個團體帶領者,徹底忘掉。純真的去上課,否則那些知識不會讓你深入其中。當帶領者是不一樣的。有時學員的收穫比帶領者多,因為帶領者必須玩遊戲,學員上課則很純真。

Meditate, do a few groups here, and in doing those groups forget that you are a group leader, forget completely. Go absolutely innocent, otherwise that knowledge will not allow you to move deeply into it. It is different being a leader. Sometimes the participant gains more than the leader, because the leader has to play a game and the participant is there innocently....


非常好。考慮一下當門徒!你有什麼好怕的?

Very good. And think of sannyas! What is the fear?


[訪客說:我內心有衝突,不知道怎麼把它整合到我的工作中來。在美國我們有一個很大的團體……]

[The visitor says: I have a conflict of how I can incorporate that into what I do. There’s a large group that we have in the States... ]


它會對你的工作和你有幫助,對他們也是。你不是穿著橘紅色長袍離開的第一個治療師,事實上沒有哪個治療師會不穿橘袍離開!所以全世界有成百上千個治療師,它幫到了他們。

It will be helpful to your work and to you, and to them too. You are not the first therapist who will be going in orange; in fact no therapist goes without being orange! (laughter) So there are hundreds of therapists all over the world and it has helped them.


這樣你也跟我連接了,你也可以跟你的人分享我。有時當你卡住了,你可以放鬆,臣服於我,馬上就會有一些幫助出現。你的工作會得到強化。你會開始在團體裡也能感受到我的臨在,那會蛻變團體的品質。

Then you are connected with me too and you can share me with your people too. Sometimes when you are stuck, you can simply relax and surrender to me; immediately some help will be possible. Your work will be enhanced. You will start feeling my presence in the group also, and that will tr​​ansform the very quality.


我的治療師們在製造奇蹟,因為他們並非單槍匹馬。否則你單槍匹馬:你有懷疑,你有自我,那些都是障礙!

My therapists are doing miracles, because they are not alone. Otherwise you are alone: that doubt is there, the ego is there, and those are barriers!


人們會認為你有點發瘋了……那又怎樣?更瘋狂的人會開始走近你!考慮一下。

People will think you have gone a little crazy... so what? And crazier people will start coming to you! (laughter) Think about it.


[奧修對女治療師說:]      [To the woman therapist Osho says:]


嗯?我要點化你成為門徒嗎?因為你的心在說,“點化我!”你的腦袋或許完全不知情,但你的心有它自己的理由,腦袋對此一無所知。

Mm? should I make you a sannyasin?.... Because your heart is saying, ’Make me a sannyasin!’ Your head may not know what it is all about, but the heart has its own reasons the head knows nothing of.


與其聽從腦袋,不如聽從心。懦夫聽從腦袋,勇士聽從心。與其去想它是什麼,不如直接進入它、了解它,第一手的東西要更好。

And it is better to follow the heart than the head. Cowards follow the head; courageous people follow the heart. Rather than thinking what it is, it is better to go into it and know it; first hand is better.


所以我們應該做什麼呢?我的感覺是:先成為門徒,之後我再跟你講話!

So what should we do? My feeling is: first become a sannyasin, then I will talk to you! (laughter)


[她回答:我還需要一點時間。 ]

[She answers: I need a little more time.]


可以,但你會錯過機會……你會錯失良機。你可以花些時間考慮再決定,但那會是你的決定。現在它是我的決定。這兩者時間區別很大。現在它是我送你的禮物;當你決定了,它會是你的決定。你可以二選一,無論你想怎樣。

You can have it, but you will be missing an opportunity... you will be missing an opportunity. You can have time and then you can decide, but that will be your decision. Right now it is my decision. There is a great difference between the two. Right now it will be a gift from me; when you decide, it will be your decision. You can choose between these, two, whatsoever you want.


如果你決定,你的頭腦就會連續不斷。你的頭腦決定了,那就是為何你採取決定,它是自我的一部分。現在它會溶解自我,它會給你極大的自由。對我來說它出自愛。它會進入未知,它不會徘徊不前,它不會考慮結果。

If you decide, that will be a continuity of your own mind. Your mind decides, that's why you take it; it will be part of the ego. Right now it will dissolve the ego, it will give you a great freedom. It will be just out of love for me. It will be going into the unknown without any brooding about it, without thinking of the result and the consequence.


[她停頓了一會兒說:我無法信守承諾怎麼辦? ]

[She stalls: What if I can’t live up to the commitment?]


別考慮未來。我會讓你信守承諾。如果我能把你點化成門徒,我也會讓你信守承諾。如果你能做出成為門徒這麼荒唐的事情,那麼一切都會水到渠成!

Don't think of the future. I will make you live up to it. If I can make you a sannyasin, I will make you live up to commitments too. If you can do such an absurd act as becoming a sannyasin then everything else will follow!


別考慮未來。你不知道自己的潛能。我看得出——你能信守承諾。你會成為我最棒的門徒之一:這沒問題。我看得出來!所以你可以放輕鬆。沒必要擔心。

Don't think of the future. You don't know your own potential. I can see it – you will be able to live up to the commitment. You will become one of my best sannyasins; there is no problem about it. I will see to it! So you can relax. There is no need to worry about it.


譯自:OSHO Believing the Impossible Before Breakfast
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